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marcusmarcusrc ([personal profile] marcusmarcusrc) wrote2012-11-09 12:11 pm

Gerrymandering?

Those of you who are my facebook friends may have noticed some posts by me about various voting issues - bemoaning my lack of Senator or Representative, for example - but also pointing out what I think is an interesting paper by a family friend of mine on gerrymandering (google stephanopolous gerrymander to see a few of his articles).

The recent election, and the Republican majority in the house, demonstrates the results of gerrymandering quite nicely: http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/11/07/1159631/americans-voted-for-a-democratic-house-gerrymandering-the-supreme-court-gave-them-speaker-boehner/?mobile=nc. I did a quick calculation on Pennsylvania, and determined that though a majority of Pennsylvanians voted for Democratic House of Representative candidates (50.7% to 49.3%), the state as a whole elected 13 Representatives to 5 Democrats.

One question I have is that, while the PA gerrymandered districts look ridiculous, would fixing them actually solve the disproportionate representation problem? After all, urban centers vote 80 to 90% Democrat, and most mapping schemes, whether by geographic compactness or by "spatial homogeneity" (see the Stephanopolous Law Review article), are going to keep the urban area as an intact entity. So I think even a neutrally designed PA map will end up having a Republican advantage. Another option that Stephanopolous raises is multi-member districts - this seems like it would help improve the fidelity of representation (and could possibly be combined with some kind of preferential voting system), make third parties more viable, and reduce extremism.

Thoughts?

[identity profile] eric-the-ted.livejournal.com 2012-11-10 05:47 pm (UTC)(link)
One might also ask how much of a problem the disproportionate representation is. The senate, after all, is disproportionate representation by design. Maybe it is okay for rural interests to be overrepresented, because otherwise they would be powerless against the urban majority?

[identity profile] marcusmarcusrc.livejournal.com 2012-11-10 06:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I know that the Senate is designed to make sure the heavily urban states can't run roughshod over the rural states, but... I thought the whole point of the House was to represent the people, and I'm unconvinced that the rural interests need THAT much over-representation.

(certainly, if you think about the problems that the massive farm subsidies in the US and EU cause for developing countries, I'd argue that the rural-over-representation is currently not only bad for our country, but for the world) (I'd be more okay with farm subsidies if they actually went more to small farmers than big agri-business, and veggie farmers over corn farmers, etc.)

[identity profile] eric-the-ted.livejournal.com 2012-11-11 12:33 am (UTC)(link)
The senate might almost be serving the opposite purpose these days: if most states have a stereotypical population breakdown like Pennsylvania, with urban cores outnumbering large rural areas, then the senate is in effect gerrymandered to favor urban voters. (I tend to think of the original intent of the senate to be a geographical/regional balance rather than an urban-vs-agrarian balance.)

I do agree that Pennsylvania might have gone a little overboard, but I think the solution should be closer to the actual vote without necessarily giving the urban areas a majority.

On farm subsidies: if it's any consolation, small farmers in Pennsylvania are currently getting massive subsidies - from the gas companies if not the government. :)